- About this entry: this is a compilation of the various complaints against LJ as of late. I believe that the combination thereof merits moving elsewhere, including for (but not limited to) roleplaying communities.
- Об этой записи: это компиляция жалобов против ЖЖ. Я верю что из о этого, нам (включая ролевые игри) всем пора уйти на другую сайт. Если вам что-нибудь не понятно, я смогу обяснить по-русски.
There's the usual -- issues of security, functionality, constant downtime and lack of notifications, and more. There's also the fact that Livejournal's entire layout will be undergoing a complete overhaul (explanation here) and that many complain of eye strain as a result of the new design (source). However, customer service is currently one of the biggest problems. The thousands of comments on the various news pages about the most recent changes prove that people are mad. Our concerns are supposedly being taken into account, but there has been no proof of that yet, and some of the highest figures of authority on this site have shown very poor behavior toward the site's users.
The following may not be a professional translation, but I am a native Russian speaker, so here's the gist of some of what's been said by
- Question from a beta tester: Is there (or will there be) a way to switch back to the old commenting style?
igrick: For now, you can switch back to the old style from the beta. In the future, you won't be able to.
[source] - Comment: I wonder how much shit you'll get for taking away the subject lines.
igrick: I already conducted a survey on the subject, the shit was delicious =)
[source] - person 1: testing new style of commenting
pretty))
hooray it's here
I like it
it's a shame that the subject lines are gone though
person 2: Were they really necessary? I've personally never understood their necessity. IMHO, of course.igrick: +100500
[Everyone goes on to claim otherwise, Igrick doesn't respond again.]
[source] - (part of) Comment: The preview button is gone. Hm. It won't be there anymore? 8)
igrick: Re: preview -- is it really necessary? [and all replies saying YES IT'S NECESSARY are ignored]
[source] - Comment: 1. slooooooooooooooooooow
2: The screen space isn't used economically - too much space, too little info, scrolling so much is tiring.igrick: 1: This is beta, there's only one server.
2: Scrolling is free =)
[source] - Comment: The purely cosmetic collection of useless space has increased. Question: Why the hell?
igrick: It's more comfortable?
Reply: On a 24-inch monitor at work, I'd agree. On a netbook - I wouldn't say that.igrick: Understood
[source] - Comment: I suggest an option to choose between the old style and the new.
igrick: What would the point be?
[source] - Here is the infamous "only 1% of posts contain a subject" comment.
igrick: "Then what do I do with those who also pay a ton of money and don't want subject lines?"
[source]- This entire thread, where he made an inflammatory comment that he later screened.
- Comment: [embedded image about Dreamwidth], When will it get through to you, sicko?
igrick: Yes, registration via invite codes has even been omitted for the week.
[source] - Someone asks what reasons people have for subject lines, igrick says "RP games"
- However,
- Anton Nossik, an advisor to SUP, has not reacted favourably to criticism by site users. In an interview given in March 2008, he accused LiveJournal users of "trying to scare and blackmail us, threatening to destroy our business," and stated that a large class of users have as their only purpose bringing harm to LiveJournal and its founders; "their goal is to criticize, destablilize and ruin our reputation." In the interview, he predicted that his likely reaction to such pressure would be to retaliate against the users rather than bowing to their pressure (source).
- IMPORTANT: Check your account status, people are reporting that their automatic payments have been turned on for them without their consent (source 1, source 2). Attempts at questioning a staff member about this has led to their denial of anything being wrong, both on the English-speaking and Russian sides (source).
- LiveJournal doesn't seem to care about paying users. More revenue is supposedly made from advertisements than paid accounts. We can scream all we want about being paying customers, but LiveJournal will not listen. In fact, they've disconnected all their phones today so it is impossible to even contact them about anything anymore. Why the 'paying customer' remark is so laughable to them is that running ads on plus accounts contributes more money to them than the paid accounts do. You can choose to not look at most of the ads by reverting to a basic account (source), but that takes you down to 6 icons and the workarounds to make it look like the old style won't work. Can you roleplay your character with only 6 expressions and with this new style? And are you willing to? Things like Blogshopping get far more attention, with a this homepage having gone up one or two days of a poll asking about blogshop statistics from users. For the record, many Singaporean users are not happy with the changes, either.
- There was a major breach of privacy in October of 2011. Certain private information could be viewed by others at random during the updates (source). Certain users had complete access to the accounts of others (source 1, source 2, source 3). Please read this entry, pertaining to account suspension, creepy comments on locked posts by LJ staff, and other wrongdoings. More on that here and here.
A user asked how the import of many RP journals might affect Dreamwidth's servers. The answer:
- Don't worry, we've got it under control. We rent our servers instead of colocating for this very reason: so we can add additional server power when we need it. Also, [staff profile] mark (our primary sysadmin) worked on LJ for four years (so he's familiar with the code and the architecture) and has been sysadminning high-performance web applications ever since, including stints at Google and Mozilla, and [personal profile] alierak (our backup sysadmin) has been doing this for just as long. We've got y'all covered. :) (source)
- Dreamwidth is also working on the ability to import entire communities. Their administrators currently state that when this is ready, a community with nearly 22,000 entries and close to 2,000,000 comments should take about 2-3 days to fully import (source). It won't be easy, but it will be possible to do this. Another thing worth reading is this comment by Dreamwidth administrator Denise regarding LJ's recent changes.
- One feature that most likely will not be implemented on Dreamwidth, however, is ala carte userpics. Please read this which explains the reasons for it. The links provided in that response lead to the essays here and here. A good explanation for how to best migrate on over to Dreamwidth can be found here. It's worth noting that Dreamwidth's staff members are very courteous and respond quickly to any and all concerns brought forth.
Also worth checking out: Why we should leave.
So what does this all mean?
2011-12-22 06:53 pm (UTC)
As one of the people who saw that with my own eyes, yeah. It was something like 'If you just used a subject line to reply to this I can't see it because I'm using the new system :)'
I should have screencapped it...
I'm certainly not paying for any more of my accts, though they don't run out until February so I've got a little time to see where it goes. But I am not impressed by
2011-12-22 07:02 pm (UTC)
And I'm sorry about the headaches it's been causing :( I've just had to deal with it being slow and at times non-responsive, but I know others have had it worse.
2011-12-22 06:57 pm (UTC)
Provided here, but I was on the post at the time and can confirm: that's exactly what he said.
2011-12-22 06:58 pm (UTC)
2011-12-22 07:01 pm (UTC)
2011-12-22 07:09 pm (UTC)
First, I acknowledge that this is largely a knee-jerk reaction. We're all mad right now, and though it's with good reason, all of this just happened. We need time to let this sink in. We need to see what, if anything, will be done to address our concerns. For roleplaying communities, it would be very difficult to just pack up and move elsewhere, taking all communities and accounts and putting them on another site. It would be very time-consuming, and there would definitely be a huge strain on Dreamwidth servers if everyone tried to do this all at once.
One of the games I'm in is both community and journal-based, so moving it would be very difficult and I suspect many players would be lost in the process. I don't know what's going to be decided for that game in particular, but if it stays, as mad as I am at LJ right now, I wouldn't want to leave that game. I've actually never seen a single ad on LiveJournal thanks to AdBlock, and if the games I'm in stay, I'll be sure to recommend that everyone install AdBlock as well.
2011-12-22 07:16 pm (UTC)
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2011-12-22 07:33 pm (UTC)
like seriously i wish he was in america so i could rip him a new asshole
2011-12-22 07:36 pm (UTC)
2011-12-22 07:47 pm (UTC)
2011-12-22 08:26 pm (UTC)
2011-12-22 08:06 pm (UTC)
The whole attitude of only certain people using subject lines and refusing to care that any machine older than a year and a half has issues running this new format (seriously, I feel like I'm using IE on Windows XP, and my computer is barely two years old) is bad enough, but then you pair that with his arrogance, and I just cannot handle it.
2011-12-22 08:25 pm (UTC)
2011-12-22 08:20 pm (UTC)
2011-12-22 08:30 pm (UTC)
Also, this is my third attempt at trying to post this comment. A+ functionality.
2011-12-22 08:32 pm (UTC)
if he wanted to cut the functionality of the lj he could've just made a light version of it for people who don't need anything more that a box with text area and "post comment" button, why forcing this shit on everyone?
and how embarrassing for self-proclaimed "head of livejournal" not knowing english.
I fear for your safety though.
yesterday I've made a few comments in his journal in russian than were far worse. I thought I would get banned but so far I didn't. maybe he didn't check anything farther than page 2, idk.
2011-12-22 08:34 pm (UTC)
SEE, I NEED SPELL-CHECK!
2011-12-22 09:42 pm (UTC)
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2011-12-22 09:49 pm (UTC)
This was initially made to inform RP communities of the costs of staying and benefits of leaving, but if you think the information would be useful for other purposes, I don't see anything wrong with mentioning the it elsewhere.
2011-12-22 11:16 pm (UTC)
It was true, the automatic payments were turned on without my consent and I'm sure that before they were turned off....
2011-12-24 07:02 am (UTC)
2011-12-22 11:23 pm (UTC)
It's amazing how sheerly restoring the functionality of a game (through means of the community's S2 CCS codes rather than LJ's own support) has many of us hazily willing to put up with insulting customer service.
2011-12-23 12:37 am (UTC)
...Except the Singapore people who use it as a shopping site and give LJ all its revenue, apparently.
2011-12-22 11:40 pm (UTC)
2011-12-23 12:00 am (UTC)
$72M USD from Singapore blogshopping on LJ
Seems we're just little fish now.
2011-12-23 12:30 am (UTC)
(Anonymous)
2011-12-23 01:14 am (UTC)
I wish I could just spam this post everywhere, but at the same time I don't want to lead the LJ staff to good communities and have them get shit on by these asses.
I'm sticking around only for the communities that don't move. There is literally no excuse for customer service to be this bad.
2011-12-23 01:17 am (UTC)
2011-12-23 02:33 am (UTC)
1. New update was implemented dispite issues raised by beta users. New update broke mobile browsers and screen readers for the blind. New update is not keyboard-friendly.
2. Invasion of privacy issues, including the automatic payment, personal lj violations, lj abuse staff abuse.
3. Ilya.
I'd love to do something like this for ya, but I don't know my way around the blogsphere well enough to know where to start and I don't know how to spin it so it's an attention-grabbing story. =(
2011-12-23 04:55 am (UTC)
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2011-12-23 04:00 am (UTC)
This homepage happened after one or two days of a poll asking about blogshop statistics from users. NO warning. Just boom.
Edited at 2011-12-23 04:01 am (UTC)
2011-12-23 04:45 am (UTC)
They probably make a lot of money from the ad revenue of that anyway.
2011-12-23 06:08 am (UTC)
2011-12-23 06:10 am (UTC)
(Anonymous)
2011-12-23 01:08 pm (UTC)
Basic accounts see ads too. Just not everywhere (http://www.livejournal.com/support/faqb
2011-12-23 07:54 pm (UTC)
2011-12-23 02:01 pm (UTC)
Just a few hours ago, I held a short conversation with someone who is apparently the manager of LJ's support team. You can find how it went over here. Just in case if, y'know, you wondered if Igrick is the only jackass on the staff.
2011-12-23 07:59 pm (UTC)
I'm sorry for everyone this happened to, it's just stupid. If it happened to me (which it thankfully didn't), my account would have been renewed last night while I was sleeping.
2011-12-23 05:24 pm (UTC)
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2011-12-23 09:12 pm (UTC)
Actually, many Russians aren't happy about this either. They get the same treatment. Most of the translated